How did Jesus save the world when he could not save one man from sin?
80How did Jesus save the world when he could not save one man?
It is now obvious that as each day passes by, theories come up and people disagree with an already laid down theory/ doctrine. Some people claim that Jesus died because of the glory he would gain from it while others claim that he did not die to save anyone. Many, if not all Christians, believe that he died for the sin of man. That is he died to save man from save and the wrath of God. He did not only die for the Christians but for all men. Maybe this is the part some people do not enjoy especially the atheist, pagan, and other religions yet the Christians insist, as they believe, that Jesus died to save men and he is the only way to God.
Jesus knew that he would be betrayed as the bible recorded it. He even mentioned it and he knowingly made his betrayer one of his disciples. There is need, at this point, to feel sorry for Judas if he was used without his knowledge. Were there no other ways to arrest and crucify Jesus without Judas betraying him? This reminds me of what an unborn child said in my published book. Is it possible that Judas revealed something, which was not recorded, that led to the arrest? There should be other ways to get the salvation job done without involving Judas after all “with God all things are possible.”
The sad part of the story maybe that Jesus even pushed Judas to do it.
John 13:26-28 “Jesus answered, “It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it.” And he dipped the bread; He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, “what you do, do quickly.” There maybe need to have pity for Judas because what happened to him was like he was hypnotized. That is there was nothing he would do because he was not himself yet, the same Jesus said, “woe to that man by whom. He is betrayed.”
Jesus knew that Judas would betray him. He could have stopped him but he did not only make him his disciple but he also said, “what you do, do quickly.” It is funny that the other disciples did not know what Judas was up to even after Jesus told them that it is the person he would give bread. Jesus had the power to help Judas but he did not help him. Jesus could have saved Judas from sin but he did not save him. Luke 22: 31-32 “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith should not fail…” here Jesus said, he prayed for peter so that he would not fail to Satan. The interested thing was that he said, “Satan has asked for you” that is Satan asked for peter but he prayed for peter. Then why did not he pray for Judas? How could he save the world when he could not save a single man from being used by the devil? Is it possible that he allowed the thing to happen so that he could enjoy the praises and glory he enjoys today for most men now claim that he is God so they worship him like God? However, if it is claimed that Judas must to be used, that is a man had to be used to betray Jesus so that he could save mankind then Judas is the real victim because he was made to play a part which he may not had played if the opportunities were not given to him.
It is certain that some people will continue to believe that Jesus did not die for their sake and they can ask, how did he do it and what did he prevent? Others will continue to teach that he came to save man from sin not minding how it was done. Whatever we choose to believe cannot change the truth, if it is out there. What is the truth? Do you want to know the truth? The truth will not change even if our believe is right or wrong. Believe what you see reasons to believe as the truth and let others believe theirs.
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Dude, do you know the truth? If you do then defintely your truth will not be the truth known by others so it means if the truth can see us free then we are all free indeed for we all know a truth. Isn't it? Maybe there is only one truth that we need to know to be free if so then which one is it?
David: Bible Prophecy, the writings of the "Old Testament" had to be fulfilled. It was written hundreds of years before Jesus that the "Son of Man" would be betrayed. Judas was chosen by God. Jesus and Judas were the best and closest of friends. Both were chosen of God to fulfil prophecy.
Judas was not pushed into anything. Indeed Jesus and Jesus only witnesses satan enter Judas, but Jesus through his Godly powers prevented satan from trying to bring a halt to that which had to take place. Yes satan enters Judas with the specific desire to try and stop and prevent Jesus from carrying out the crucifixion and resurrection which destroys satan's powers of sin and death condemning man for eternity.
Judas was and is Jesus closest and most valued apostle and nothing can change that.
You are not been sincere here Dave maybe you speak to pleasure your God or your believe. You said God choose Judas. You again said nobody made him do it. Why won't he do it when he was picked to do it? Then what did Jesus do to stop him ? Jesus knew what he would do but he called him into this circle so that he can carry out his mission. So they used Judas to achieve an aim that is what you mean but you do not agree that God used Satan just as he used Judas. Jesus told Judas to do what he had to do.
I said that Judas was pre-destined by both God and Jesus the Son of God to serve and fulfil the ancient prophecies. Nobody forced Judas to do what he had to do. Jesus does nothing to stop Judas because to do this would prevent the fulfilling of the phophecies.
God never used satan in any part of this. Satan entered judas to try and prevent the crucifixion knowing that this would change the balance of things and sinners would be forgiven.
Jesus tells Judas to hurry and do what had to be done, knowing that it was time for Jesus to be handed over.
Dave you are certainly wrong in all you said. 1st pre-destined means God decided to use Judas so Judas did nothing wrong. I said that Judas was used when he could be stopped then why did Jesus say, "Woe to ..." when he decided to use him? that is wrong. 2ndly, Satan entered Judas after Jesus told him to do it not before that so Satan did not try to stop him. The same Satan tried to enter peter but Jesus prayed for him. 3rdly why do you think God pre-destined to use Judas but he did not do same for Satan?
Dave you are certainly wrong in all you said. 1st pre-destined means God decided to use Judas so Judas did nothing wrong. I said that Judas was used when he could be stopped then why did Jesus say, "Woe to ..." when he decided to use him? that is wrong. 2ndly, Satan entered Judas after Jesus told him to do it not before that so Satan did not try to stop him. The same Satan tried to enter peter but Jesus prayed for him. 3rdly why do you think God pre-destined to use Judas but he did not do same for Satan?
Obviously we must agree to disagree on this topic. I know that there are things not everyone can grasp from a spiritual viewpoint. I know for a fact that Judas is innocent of all that people charge him with having done.
Yes you wrote a hub on it in which you called him a hero in fact that is why I wrote this hub to hear what others have to say because I know that not every will agree with that. I am not saying that Judas is a hero or not but I am saying that if Judas can be used for a purpose so was Satan. Especially since God is an all knowing and he should know what Satan will be even before he created him. But the problem is that we say one thing about God then we keep changing it to fit our desires or believe for instance you believe he knew about Judas from the beginning but you do not think so about Satan. We just have to believe in something, at least someone said that. Yes we just have to disagree to agree but the fun of this is that it is a peaceful debate where we exchange ideas and we are never at war or in conflict. My main aim is to get what people think, believe, and say and why they hold such things. That is why I tolerate all religion for as long as it does not harm others. thanks Dave
God created evry1 n gave out freedom to choice making. You may b adviced to do the good deed but he can not force you into it. So my point is that judas would have escaped the betrayal if willed to just as jesus won satan during his temptation in the wilderness.
Thanks Don for your comment. You mean that Judas had the freedom to decide to betray Jesus or not to. Good some people call Judas a hero because they claim he made salvation possible by his act. That side, Jesus knew that Judas will betray him. Isn't it? What did Jesus do to prevent it? Jesus even made him his disciple so that he can do. Jesus also told him to do it and satan entered Judas. Okay if Jesus allowed it because of freewill then he can't claim to save the world because we all have freewill.
Well, it would be the Universal truth. That is the one we are on the trail of. If you decide that you have the truth and so, end your search there, you may never know if you have found it. Not many truths. One. Not reliant on my belief or your opinion. Just one, stand alone truth that no one can deny.
Dude I trust this is the second time you mention truth and it is still not clear what the truth is. This is because no truth maybe accepted by all. It means truth is relative but the point here is to put things together and see the sense in it and it did not make sense that Judas was used. It can be said that Jesus implanted Judas so that he can carry out the job. It is possible that Judas was hypotized while he committed the crime just as it was written Satan entered him. I feel sorry for Judas.
"This is because no truth maybe accepted by all. It means truth is relative"
You've said this before, and I don't really buy into it. Truth is certainly not relative. If I said that God is real and you said that God is not real, it is a logical impossibility for both of us to be right. I may perceive that God is real and you may perceive that He is not. Those two things can coexist. But in reality either there is a God or there's not. Either Jesus literally walked on the earth or he didn't. Either heaven is a real place or it's not. The perception of truth is certainly relative, but absolute truth absolutely exists. The fact that not everyone will accept the truth doesn't change the nature of truth. So, the search for it is a good thing and a worthy goal. So let's stop saying things like "truth is relative." It just confuses the issue.
You're also missing some information about Judas. Each of the four gospels give us different nuggets of information about what happened during the life of Jesus. Judas had decided the day before that he would betray Jesus (see Mark chapter 14). It was right after the woman poured the expensive perfume on the head of Jesus. According to John chapter 12, Judas was frustrated because he wanted to sell the perfume (he held the moneybag for the group and was often stealing money for his own personal use). Judas had already made his decision before the passover dinner which is where Jesus told him to "do it quickly". God does not stop us from doing the wrong thing. We have free will and it's our responsibility to use it wisely. Judas is 100% responsible for his actions. God did not make Judas do anything. He simply looked into the future, saw what Judas was going to do, and planned around it.
The fact that Jesus chose Judas knowing that Judas would betray him does not make Jesus complicit in any way. He chose the other eleven also and they didn't betray him. We don't get to blame God for giving us opportunities to do the wrong thing. We must choose wisely. If we don't then it's on us.
Evrybody's opinion is a function of his belief. By d xtian faith, Jesus died 2 save d world. Judas as i said earlier had evry right win d devil cos wil power was given out 2 all. Jesus selected judas as a discipl just lyk d other eleven. Many stil had their shortcomin just as peter denied Jesus but dat of judas was 2 pronounced. If u say dat Jesus used judas's betrayal 2 achiev his aim then wat did he use peter's denial 2 achiev???
Sonfollowers, truth is relative because it depends on how you judge it and what you accept as the truth especially in issues which we cannot really prove but just have to believe by faith so your truth is what you believe which may not be what others believe and if you are right or wrong does not change the truth if it is out there however what people believe is relative to what they accept as truth. That is why just truths are relative.People do not question what they know and can be proved.
Sonfollower, you confirmed that the gospels told some stories differently, I trust that is a problem to some people. I know the gospel of Mark and what it said but that did not change the view because even before that incident Jesus already knew what Judas would. You said, God knew what Judas would do so he planned it around Judas so it means they gave Judas the opportunity to do it. Freewill! has always been the point but you are wrong to say that God do not change things cos of freewill. Check your bible.
Sonfollowers, the question is why not choose another way, must it be Judas? Is there anything impossible for God to do that Judas was the only option? Can't Jesus be killed without Judas or anyone just as John the baptist was killed. The Jews or kings can just arrest him and kill him. You said freewill so if that is the case why did Jesus pray for Peter so that Satan will not use him or didn't you read it? The point is that Judas should be saved first. Some people call Judas a hero for what he did.
Don, once again thanks. You are right that out believe is a function of our faith. It will be better if Christians believe that Jesus died to save them and not the world because Non-Christians are in the world. Secondly, he should had started by saving Judas but he did not. You question about Peter denial is far from it because it has nothing to do with Jesus death but if you want to know what the denial achieved then Peter used it to save himself. He did not know what would be his fate if he didn't.
David,
Again, perception of truth is relative. Truth is truth. I'm just trying to be precise. It's funny because you seem to agree with me based on your comments. It's like you're trying to say the same thing a different way, but you still prefer to say it in a way that's confusing to people.
Why would it be a problem that the four gospels weren't exactly alike? They were written by four different people who had different sources for information, different reasons for writing, etc. Some left out details that weren't interesting to them which were included by at least one of the others. None of that invalidates the story.
"Is there anything impossible for God to do that Judas was the only option?"
Again, Judas chose his path. God does not force us to follow him or to do the right thing. It's better if we don't kill anybody, but we can choose to do that if we want. There are still consequences for doing it. Judas chose to betray Jesus on his own. Nothing was forced upon him, and nothing was taken away from him. I don't understand why you maintain that Judas was treated wrongly. It seems like a pointless argument, honestly. It's not as if you buy into what the Bible has to say anyway. I'm not sure why you're so invested in defending Judas against a God you don't actually believe in. Is it simply about discrediting a religion that irritates you? If so, isn't that what you sometimes accuse Christians of doing? Just wondering.
First, I think you did not get the point. We agreed that there is truth which we cannot be certain because either we cannot prove it or we see it from different direction so it means such truth is not acceptable by all because there are different version of it. It means that what you or anyone choose to believe is relative to what you or others percieved as truth. So why dn't you understand the word "relative" as used here to based on individuality? It is simple and a clear to understand.
You maybe right that the disciples may choose to leave some stories but you did not point out that even where they choose to tell the same story and incident did not completely agree. Is it right that you, as a Christian, know that someone planned to commit a crime or bomb a place and you personally invited him to the place? It is even better that he gain access to the place without your help or invitation. Maybe you will have to invite the person because he has freewill to bomb or God destined to use him.
You said the writers got their information from different sources that is why their account differed. Well, it is understandable but it is said God inspired it or its God's word. The point is not what Judas choose to do but giving him the opportunity to do it is a different case. You do not mean to tell me that it is right that Jesus knew what Judas would do then he gave him the opportunity to do it because it freewill. You speak as if God do not interfer in situations because he gave people freewill.
Sonsfollowers, you said you do not understand why I am defending Judas against God and you asked if am discrediting Christianty? The point is that you did not know how this hub started. I write without fear or favor. This hub developed out of questions like ,"who tempted Satan?" "Why did God create Satan?" "Is Satan in hell or where?" people have different answers to this even among Christians which you ask if I discredit when Christians already conflict in their beliefs, doctrines, and thoeries. Isn't it?
That I or others ask questions or state views does not mean discrediting any believe. Maybe you want people to believe anything without reasoning or questioning. You have your reasons to believe whatever you choose so do others. I am not bothered about what you teach because I believe in religious tolerance because I understand why you believe. However, others have to know that no one path is the only means to God, I trust you do not teach that, that is why I state the diverse views and why it should be so.
Sonfollower, Some Christians say that Judas is a hero because he betrayed Jesus and made salvation possible while other Christians do not agree. But if God knew Judas and used him what of Satan whom he created and should know what he would do? The point is that there is division among Christians for instance some teach that Jesus is God while others do not agree.You do not talk about discrediting Christianty when all is not well within.You can believe that Jesus is your savior.Let others choose theirs.
one thing is for sure. judas did not prayed for himself and ask guidance from god to escape the sin. . .hehehe
Druid Dude Level 4 Commenter 10 months ago
The truth may set you free.